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		<title>Fans or Friends? An interview</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jun 2011 01:31:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Nancy Baym</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Artists]]></category>
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		<description><![CDATA[I recently did an interview with Dave Cool for Bandzoogle&#8217;s blog. We covered topics like how social media have affected online fandom, benefits and challenges of social media, whether bands need to use social media and/or have their own website, whether they can keep mystique, whether they ought to be trying to be friends with [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I recently did an interview with Dave Cool for <a href="http://bandzoogle.com/" target="_blank">Bandzoogle&#8217;s</a> blog.</p>
<p>We covered topics like how social media have affected online fandom, benefits and challenges of social media, whether bands need to use social media and/or have their own website, whether they can keep mystique, whether they ought to be trying to be friends with fans, and even a bit on how I mix personal and professional in my online identity and why.</p>
<p>Read <a href="http://bandzoogle.com/blog/blogposts/fans-or-friends-how-social-media-is-changing-the-artistfan-relationship-part-1-21871.cfm" target="_blank">part 1</a> and <a href="http://bandzoogle.com/blog/blogposts/fans-or-friends-how-social-media-is-changing-the-artistfan-relationship-part-2-21885.cfm" target="_blank">part 2</a>.</p>
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		<title>Fans or Friends?</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 31 May 2011 22:32:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Nancy Baym</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Last weekend I gave a talk at the International Communication Association about the increasingly interpersonal nature of the relationships between musicians and friends. In it, I draw on the interviews I&#8217;ve done with musicians to identify some of the positive new rewards they get when they can interact directly with their fans, cover many of [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Last weekend I gave a talk at the International Communication Association about the increasingly interpersonal nature of the relationships between musicians and friends. In it, I draw on the interviews I&#8217;ve done with musicians to identify some of the positive new rewards they get when they can interact directly with their fans, cover many of the tricky interpersonal issues they face in trying to negotiate how much those relationships can be like friendship, and briefly summarize the main strategies they use to manage boundaries in ways with which they are comfortable.</p>
<p>Here it is in PDF form for download:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.onlinefandom.com/2011BaymFansorFriends.pdf">Fans or Friends?</a></p>
<p>Any and all feedback (especially the constructive kind) is welcomed!</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
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		<title>Embracing the Flow</title>
		<link>http://www.onlinefandom.com/archives/embracing-the-flow/</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Jan 2011 10:00:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Nancy Baym</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Last spring I wrote a research memo for the Convergence Culture Consortium about dealing with the unfettered flow of content in contemporary entertainment industries. It&#8217;s now public and you can download the PDF here. Here&#8217;s a teaser from page one: One of the most vexing issues facing the content industries is their loss of control [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Last spring I wrote a research memo for the Convergence Culture Consortium about dealing with the unfettered flow of content in contemporary entertainment industries. It&#8217;s now public and you can <a href="http://convergenceculture.org/research/c3-embracingflow-full.pdf" target="_blank">download the PDF here</a>.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a teaser from page one:</p>
<p>One of the most vexing issues facing the content industries is their loss of control over the distribution of digital material. Combined with the ability of consumers and fans to organize and voice opinions more loudly than ever before, many industries, including recording, broadcast, and motion picture, find themselves acting from defensive postures, seeking to shut down grassroots activities and file sharing.</p>
<p>In contrast, some in the industry, particularly (though not exclusively) independent artists, have embraced this unfettered flow of materials and discourse. This C3 research memo (1) briefly identifies the current situation of information and content flow and the kinds of steps being taken to combat it. Against this backdrop, it then (2) identifies the reasons one might choose to embrace these changes rather than fighting them (3) argues that these industries need to consider the role of social exchange in addition to the economic exchange models they are used to in building consumers’ willingness to pay for content they can obtain for free and (4) proposes specific strategies for building social exchange relationships in this environment. In what follows, I use music as an exemplar, but the discussion will not be limited to music.</p>
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		<title>On the Pirate Bay Verdict</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 08:39:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Nancy Baym</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I never really paid a whole lot of attention to Pirate Bay. I have a torrenting application, but have only ever used it to download one band&#8217;s concerts from their fan board (where they are posted with the band&#8217;s tacit consent). But I was totally taken in during the trial, particularly with the Twitter spectacle [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I never really paid a whole lot of attention to Pirate Bay. I have a torrenting application, but have only ever used it to download one band&#8217;s concerts from their fan board (where they are posted with the band&#8217;s tacit consent). But I was totally taken in during the trial, particularly with the Twitter spectacle of it all&#8211; both <a href="http://musically.com/blog/2009/03/09/10-favourite-tweets-from-the-pirate-bay-trial/" target="_blank">the posts</a> of defendent <a href="http://www.twitter.com/brokep">@brokep</a> with his mastery of twitterspeak and with the <a href="http://search.twitter.com/search?q=%23spectrial" target="_blank">#spectrial tagging</a> that included real time moment-by-moment translation of the trial and ongoing commentary. If you were following me during that time you might have noticed I was bordering on obsessed.</p>
<p>So now the verdict is in, at least in phase one, and they&#8217;ve been found guilty with jail time and massive fines to pay if the verdict is upheld.</p>
<p>As someone who&#8217;s spent much of the last few years paying way too much attention to the independent music scene in Sweden, and who chanced to meet @brokep when I was going to meet some independent label guys for lunch in Malmö last fall, my feelings are very mixed. He had a sweet smile and was instantly likable. More importantly though, he was hanging out in an office with people running two of my favorite Swedish music labels: <a href="http://www.songsiwish.com/" target="_blank">Songs I Wish I Had Written</a> and <a href="http://hybrism.com/index2.php" target="_blank">Hybris</a>. Both labels are associated with <a href="http://theswedishmodel.org/" target="_blank">The Swedish Model</a>, a collective seeking to foster a new future-oriented dialogue about the music industry.</p>
<p>When I interviewed independent Swedish label heads and musicians, every single one of them spoke of downloading as a good thing. They viewed it as an opportunity to reach broader and more international audiences, to increase the number of people into their kind of music, as a chance to build a whole new culture around music. Martin Thörnkvist, head of Songs I Wish, most vocal spokesperson for The Swedish Model (and guy who introduced me to Peter from Pirate Bay), told me he uploads their whole catalogue to Pirate Bay so he can have control over the quality of the recordings people download of their songs. Each spring <a href="http://www.labrador.se/indexn.php3" target="_blank">Labrador Records</a> uploads a sampler full of their singles to Pirate Bay.</p>
<p>It isn&#8217;t that these people don&#8217;t want to make any money from the music, it&#8217;s that they recognize that file sharing is not a choice, but a given. The question is how to use it, not how to stop it.</p>
<p>On the <a href="http://www.digitalrenaissance.se/2009/04/17/thank-you-the-pirate-bay/" target="_blank">Digital Renaissance</a> blog, Thörnkvist wrote:</p>
<blockquote><p>Today’s ruling has only one positive aspect. I look forward to the music business investment in new services that were promised when the “copyright issue” is resolved. Up to evidence, out with you on the dance floor and show what you can do. Release control of your catalouges and let the service developers that are the <em>best </em>test their wings, instead of the one that currently can give you the biggest advance.</p>
<p>Of course this is not the end of the juridical process. The appeal will come as fast as it takes to download a torrent. But in my dream world the record, film and computer games companies withdrew their claims and instead spend all their money and creative energy to develop what they are actually best in the world at. Until then, Peter, Fredrik and Gottfrid have my full support in their dreams of a free internet.</p>
<p>Thank you, The Pirate Bay for putting a blowtorch in the ass of those who own 80% of all music ever released. Your work will ultimately lead to the re-recognize value of its core business and the will to sanction better services to restore music as the best provider of emotions.</p>
<p>It hurts when old business models to burst, but in this case the grass is really greener on the other side – not least for musicians and music lovers.</p></blockquote>
<p>Or as <a href="http://techdirt.com/articles/20090419/2330364552.shtml" target="_blank">Mike Masnick put it</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>I&#8217;ve said it before and I&#8217;ll say it again: I don&#8217;t think that most file sharing is legal or right (and I don&#8217;t participate in any of it). But, millions of people who know that it&#8217;s illegal have absolutely no problem taking part in it, and no &#8220;education&#8221; campaign or shutting down of a particular site or service is going to stop that. Continuing to pretend it will doesn&#8217;t help the industry at all. What helps the industry is to stop denying that this is something that can be stopped legally, and finally moving on to experimenting with business models that work</p></blockquote>
<p>I don&#8217;t think all music <em>should</em> be uploaded and downloaded freely. I am all for investment in music and return on investment in music, and I realize that money is inevitably part of that equation. I also think, though, that the pursuit of money, and sometimes very large amounts of it, has colored the music business in some weird ways so that money is too often taken to be the only kind of investment or reward that can motivate good music. Ultimately, I want the music business to survive, but, like Martin, Mike, and the people I&#8217;ve interviewed, that&#8217;s only going to happen when everyone accepts that whether they like it or not, whether it&#8217;s morally and legally right or not, file sharing is not going to stop.</p>
<p>I love the idea of embracing it. Of seeding the music yourself. I have heard the arguments, but I am not at all convinced that in the end it means fewer copies will sell.</p>
<p>I want more ways for us to pay artists in addition to buying the CD or the downloads. I want scarce goods like fabulous packaging and great bags, shirts, posters, and so on. I want a way to pay every artist what we think their music is worth directly (let them work out the payback for songwriters, producers, financers and other behind-the-scenes people).</p>
<p>Some past posts about Swedish labels and file sharing:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.onlinefandom.com/archives/indie-labels-on-sharing-streaming-and-giving-it-away/" target="_blank">Indie Labels on Sharing, Streaming, and Giving It Away</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.onlinefandom.com/archives/the-trap-of-the-filesharing-debate/" target="_blank">The Trap of the File Sharing Debate</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.onlinefandom.com/archives/music-is-all-about-money/" target="_blank">Music Is All About Money</a></p>
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		<title>Amanda Palmer don&#8217;t need no stinkin&#8217; label</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Apr 2009 08:31:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Nancy Baym</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Amanda Palmer, sometimes of the Dresden Dolls and sometimes her own sweet (?) independent self, has long been an enthusiastic proponent and exemplar of how to use the internet to connect with her audience. She&#8217;s got over 17,000 followers on Twitter, and writes a blog in which she&#8217;s profoundly personal (in keeping with her musical [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amanda Palmer, sometimes of the Dresden Dolls and sometimes her own sweet (?) independent self, has long been an enthusiastic proponent and exemplar of how to use the internet to connect with her audience. She&#8217;s got over 17,000 followers <a href="http://twitter.com/amandapalmer">on Twitter</a>, and writes <a href="http://blog.amandapalmer.net/">a blog</a> in which she&#8217;s profoundly personal (in keeping with her musical identity), and now she&#8217;s on a campaign to get her record label to drop her because they don&#8217;t understand the connection the internet has enabled her to create with her fans.</p>
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<p>In <a href="http://www.njnnetwork.com/njn/?p=8073">an open letter</a> to her label, she explains why:</p>
<blockquote><p>i had to EXPLAIN to the so-called “head of digital media” of roadrunner australia WHAT TWITTER WAS. and his brush-off that “it hasn’t caught on here yet” was ABSURD because the next day i twittered that i was doing an impromptu gathering in a public park and 12 hours later, 150 underage fans &#8211; who couldn’t attend the show &#8211; showed up to get their records signed.</p>
<p>no manager knew! i didn’t even warn or tell her! no agents! no security! no venue! we were in a fucking public park! life is becoming awesome.</p>
<p>also interesting: i brought a troupe of back-up actors/dancers on the tour (we were only playing 300-1000 seaters) and had no money to pay them, so we passed the hat into the crowd every night. each performer walked from each show with about $200 in cash. the fans TOOK CARE OF THEM. they brought us dinner every night, gave us places to sleep. (i couldn’t afford to put up that many people in hotels).</p>
<p>all sans label, all using email and twitter. the fans followed the adventure. they LOVED HELPING.</p></blockquote>
<p>There are two points here.</p>
<p>First, she no longer <em>needs</em> the label to reach her fans. In fact, she can reach her fans more effectively than they can.</p>
<p>Second, she&#8217;s doing what I talked about in my talk at MIDEM &#8212; creating a social-exchange relationship with her fans in which they choose to give her (and her performers) not just their attention, but also their money, because they <em>want</em> to. They know intuitively that it is the <em>right</em> thing to do.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not about them feeling guilty if they don&#8217;t. It&#8217;s about them understanding that she has given of herself to them, and that if they want to keep that relationship in balance, they should give back to her. That&#8217;s how loving relationships work. Attention and money are two ways they can repay her for the music, the attention, and the loving that she gives them.</p>
<p>This is what a morality-based relationship between artist and fan looks like.</p>
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		<title>What will happen to the music industry?</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 16:13:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Nancy Baym</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Since MIDEM, I have been reflecting a lot on the future of the music industry. As I wrote below, as an outsider, I was discouraged by what seemed to be backwards thinking regarding what I see as the great opportunities of the era of the networked audience. Two posts today from Techdirt and the MIDEM [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since MIDEM, I have been reflecting a lot on the future of the music industry. As I wrote below, as an outsider, I was discouraged by what seemed to be backwards thinking regarding what I see as the great opportunities of the era of the networked audience.</p>
<p>Two posts today from <a href="http://techdirt.com/articles/20090303/0129163958.shtml" target="_blank">Techdirt</a> and the <a href="http://midemnetblog.typepad.com/midemnet_blog/2009/03/are-we-really-moving-from-control-to-collaboration.html" target="_blank">MIDEM blog</a> question whether the recording industry is really ready to collaborate and cooperate with new services and fans or whether all that talk is just another PR campaign.</p>
<p>What struck me at MIDEM was that for all the sobbing or cynical snickering from those within the industry about the damage being done and the jobs and revenue being lost, I found that most of the time I was surrounded by really smart, really optimistic people who were creating new jobs, new revenue streams, and having a really good time doing well in the music business.</p>
<p>The thing was, all those people had accepted that the audience is irrevocably networked and that digital music is and will always be easily and freely shared. They were building businesses that use social media to turn people on to new music, to connect people to one another around music, and to provide comprehensible data analysis to the people making and marketing music. They weren&#8217;t in the old jobs working for record labels and publishing companies.</p>
<p>If I were a futurist, I would predict this future:</p>
<p>As the old industry behemoths focus more and more on controlling intellectual property, fewer and fewer artists will be willing to deal with the restrictions this places on their fans&#8217; ability to build excitement around them. Rather than fearing the exchange of their music for free, or the propensity of fans to make their own videos and remixes, more and more artists will seek it out, realizing there&#8217;s plenty of money to be made giving the music away and selling scarcities (see Masnick&#8217;s Techdirt writings for long exegeses of this idea).</p>
<p>Third party companies and services  on the internet will make it easier and easier for artists to spread their music and reap financial rewards outside of the sign-with-a-label/get-on-the-radio system. Eventually the recording industry as it stands now will become a small marginalized part of the industry as the people who understand that &#8220;protecting&#8221; intellectual property is a good way to kill your business, while sharing is a good way to build it decide it makes more sense for them to forego major label representation. To the extent that rights-holders opt in to a system that locks them into a protectionist-orientation, they&#8217;ll be increasingly irrelevant. To the extent that they bypass that increasingly restrictive system, they&#8217;ll thrive. Eventually there will be so many outside the system, what&#8217;s now fringe will be the norm.</p>
<p>Now I understand that it&#8217;s not reasonable to expect musicians to also be ace marketers and social media experts. The people at labels do real work, and I don&#8217;t mean to dimish that. The huge need is going to be a new kind of intermediary, not a label, not exactly a manager (though they&#8217;ll still be useful), but the social-media-advisor who can make sense of the many forms of media through which word is spreading, the many kinds of social activity through which those words flow, and guide the musicians&#8217; media presence.</p>
<p>For those who say &#8220;but musicians should be able to make a living by charging people for the music, they shouldn&#8217;t have to do all that other stuff&#8221; I say, well yeah, in the perfect world. But this is the new world. Some people may still get away with that, but clinging to that historically brief past in which recorded music could be a primary source of income will only lead to obsolescence.</p>
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<p>On a housekeeping note, I apologize to any readers who are bummed that I&#8217;ve been such an infrequent blogger. I find my thoughts these days are either happening in <a href="http://twitter.com/nancybaym" target="_blank">140 character form</a> or really long form (since my blogging slow down I&#8217;ve written four book chapters and two journal articles as well as a few talks). Blog post length seems either too long or too short. But I&#8217;ll keep trying.</p>
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		<title>Relating to Fans Means Helping Them Relate to Each Other</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 16:54:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Nancy Baym</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Business Quandaries]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Fan Power]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Music]]></category>

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		<description><![CDATA[Here, for your reading pleasure, is a PDF of the talk I gave at MIDEMNet last week titled Making The Most of Online Music Fandom. Bruce at Hypebot, one of the excellent people I met there, was kind enough to do a near-instant writeup. I identify 5 key social practices in fandom, 5 reasons the [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here, for your reading pleasure, is a PDF of the talk I gave at MIDEMNet last week titled <a title="19MB PDF file" href="http://www.onlinefandom.com/BaymMIDEM.pdf" target="_blank"><em>Making The Most of Online Music Fandom</em></a>. Bruce at Hypebot, one of the excellent people I met there, was kind enough to do a <a href="http://www.hypebot.com/hypebot/2009/01/midemnet-social-networking-online-fandom.html" target="_blank">near-instant writeup</a>.</p>
<p style="text-align: center;"><img class="size-full wp-image-579 aligncenter" title="nancyatmidemnet" src="http://www.onlinefandom.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/nancyatmidemnet.jpg" alt="nancyatmidemnet" width="373" height="245" /></p>
<p style="text-align: left;">I identify 5 key social practices in fandom, 5 reasons the internet has superpowered fans, and make 4 suggestions for how artists and those who represent them can make this work for everyone. I argue that the key to fostering fans&#8217; strong connections to artists is fostering their connections to one another by understanding and nurturing the activities that bind them together in their fandom.</p>
<p>For me, this page in the middle of the talk is the key:</p>
<blockquote><p>Of course, the flip side to fans’ empowerment is what seems a lot like disempowerment to those who’ve been able to control music production, distribution and coverage. It’s natural to respond to this with fear. The threats are real. Those in industry  may want to stop fans from:  Criticizing them, spreading their music, using their name, bootlegging their shows, discussing their private lives, writing fantasies about them, spreading misinformation.</p>
<p>But getting control back is not an option. That genie is not going back in the bottle. The power struggle and the tensions it raises will continue for the foreseeable future.</p>
<p>The relationship between fans and artists is less and less like a business relationship in which artists and industry set the terms and audiences either buy or don’t, and more and more like a social relationship in which bands and fans have to negotiate terms together.</p>
<p>They are independent, they have their own goals, and they will do things you don’t like. They can also help you.</p></blockquote>
<p>As always, your feedback is welcomed in comments.</p>
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